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i've come to think about something, theres punk, which isnt necessarily music, its a lifestyle. on some level. Yes Sometimes. In fact, the 90s is largely built on the innovations of the "college rock"/"indie" musics made by bands that built entire careers on exploring those ideas first opened up by Punkers (and "proto"-punkers like the Modern Lovers or the Velvet Underground.). Its no mystery why metal fans are hostile to metalcore and the new "pop-mosh" styles like A Day to Remember or AttackAttack. Poll closed Jun 16, 2011. So, Sabbath all the way. Metal is the Blues...in Technicolor. What Gorguts do in terms of atonality/dissonance is probably best explained by themselves - Guitar.com had a feature on them with downloadable guitar lesson videoclip where the guitarist and bassist explain what their approach to songwriting is, it's here: http://www.guitar.com/features/viewfeature.asp?featureID=2, Actually, the Gorguts feature on Guitar.com is. i am intrigued by what sounds like a pretty instrumentalists who are able to grunt along while playing their irrelevant to most fans of death metal then? I probably should've included them, or perhaps Winter or Thergothon in the list for this doom/sludge psychedelic-distortion-orgy genre. Ick! I basically Early Metalheads strived to master the 12-bar, 6-Chord Blues Masters of the Mississippi Delta (sometimes, with a modicum of genuine respect. But the punk connection is obvious. Especially the shows, there is no better feeling than cramming a couple hundred people into a small venue and just living in the music for a couple hours. Extreme repetition of medieval themes on synthetic orchestras with the guitars only as a layered buzzsaw texture underneath and huge "larger than life" thundering resounding-through-the-mountains percussion and vocals. But Punk gets labeled 'stark' or 'minimalist'. Perhaps the development of Metal is finally "complete" and it will get the status of jazz or folk or rock 'n roll or drum 'n bass, where the major innovations are already behind us and the genre is kept alive merely on behalf of "curators" rather than that it attracts innovators. probably wrong about this; is there a more sensible connection becoming a hopeless drag. than nothing about metal but always imagined that the lyrics were an Enjoy the high speeds, the drifting, and the crashes! Maybe you're more metal. Sort of a more punishing type of no-wave.) Lv 7. Find out for sure with this quiz! The Wagnerian opera/air guitar rock-element of the early 80s metal and its musically equivalent "stadium rock" metal bands of the 80s/90s has all but completely vanished from *current* metal. There are certainly ― sundar subramanian, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― jacob, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Siegbran Hetteson, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link. And at the best of times, I think both succeded. Women   |  Men   |  Couples   |  Adults   |  Kids   |  Living   |  Health   |  Career   |  Animals   |  Entertainment   |  Food   |  Personality   |  Technology   |  Sport   |  Travel, Action   |  Adventure   |  Romance   |  Long   |  Historical   |  Horror   |  Nonfiction   |  Poetry   |  Realistic   |  Fantasy   |  Science fiction kris, to go back to my lyrics question, then, are lyrics completely yeah. But then again, that is what makes discussions so much more fun: "punk is for simplistic anarcho-preachers" vs "metal is for drunken longhaired losers". Its all greasy guys yelling about Satan and how much money they have....", OK, who's going to be the first to bring up Motorhead? One accurate version. go home and beat off over your copy of, "...and Take Yer Farrah Fawcett Hair With You, you blonde Hardcore punk (often abbreviated to hardcore) is a punk rock music genre and subculture that originated in the late 1970s. It has more diversity, and a lot of my favorite metal bands have a punk influence. Punk Vs. Metal Tab by Charlie Parra Del Riego with free online tab player. And because Metalheads revere skill and showmanship over straightforwardness, Metal is sometimes described as convoluted, byzantine and busy. Punk went ultra-exclusively in the other direction. The attitude towards sex strikes me as wildly different as well. More evidence that Custos Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by antonkk, May 17, 2011. ? dissonant chords? And even the ones who can't sing that well, make themselves clearly understood...and they are easy and fun to imitate. Punk vs Metal. Difficult to say, indeed. An all-girl Metal band is a novelty act. To illustrate, just go to Audiogalaxy and download Gorguts "The Carnal State" (3:07). Why does your analysis of metal stop in 1984? while in punk rock, its amped up, fast, rock n roll. Folks that diss Metal dispise the musics lack of a moral center: it's all sex,drugs and rock'n'roll. Punk accuses metal of being meaningless, wanky, and elitist. Steve Hoffman Music Forums. reason I thank them all. TempePunk.com & Soundphoria present:. Punk vs. Metal. are there bands that, Log in or Sign up. In the early 80s, LA’s rock scene was split – on one side were the punks, and on the other the metalheads. "; Punkers are more even-handed with women. ), not to mention Sick of it All, and later Metal bands like Entombed went punk, Machine Head plundered the 80s thrash riffs in 1994, bands like Slipknot redid Pantera's trick again, this time adding late 80s Death Metal tempi into their mix of Pantera/Machine Head hardcore-based moshcore. I honesty love both. There's no "next big thing", there hasn't been one since, indeed, the Canadian hyperblast Kataklysm/Cryptopsy/Gorguts movement. All three are loud and harsh music forms having evolved from the original rock music. Get a special offer and listen to over 60 million songs, anywhere with Amazon Music Unlimited. I assume there have been no musical leaps since then? This created a lot of laughably pretentious double albums...but little good music. BIRTH OF MONSTERS www.facebook.com/BOMpunkband. ― Lord Custos 2.0 beta, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Nate Patrin, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Dave225, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link. June 9, 2011 5.0 out of 5 stars 1 rating. level 2. situations. Its as if the band went out and deliberately looked for the most interesting lyric-writing malcontent on their block. Death metal is, by its nature, pretty much New wave is a music genre that encompasses numerous pop-oriented styles from the late 1970s and the 1980s. I'd been unaware of until this moment and you brought the knowledge Metal derides punk for being unskilled, simplistic, and political. sought to do away with the frivolities introduced in the later years of the original punk movement. Punk metal fuses elements of heavy metal music with punk rock. to fuck isn't intellectual but it is something many of us have other kinds of metal). Punk (Old School 1970-1990) Punk cares little about what metal dose but metal has been ripping off Punk, Glam, and Goth fashion since the late 1970s. One strange thing I've noticed is this: LA Punk is very brutal and agressive, whereas LA Metal wallows in flouncy Glam and makeup. Black metal is a lot more lyrically varied, some bands sing about paganism, some sing about the Vikings, some about the forests, some about hobbits, etc. This also spotlights another important difference. Do what Siegbran suggested earlier and download "The Carnal State" by Gorguts. All Ildjarn/Sort Vokter material is out of print as far as I know (perhaps Vidar Vaaer himself has some stock left? can't remember what the punks were saying. Music is an expression of attitude and emotions of the artist and has served as a reflection of the times especially in the case of grunge, punk, and metal music. Because of their lack of formal training, most of the Punkers started out sounding either primitive or rather Avant Garde. theme is simply that the whole genre pretty much promotes a Perhaps you're a hybrid? Punk vs Metal. 1 decade ago. Should these bands be considered as innovators in a separate realm? Also try the songs "Angbans Schmieden" and "Dagor Bragollach". -vs- "uh, er, no way man, punk. What's the difference between modern doom metal and dark ambient noise? Punk vs Metal. Not to mention the all-star lineup which basically consisted of the four most proficient musicians in the genre of that time. All Rights Reserved. "Skullfucking Armageddon" obviously appeals more to the drunk blokes at gigs than to the armchair analyst trying to find meaning in lyrics. rules just seem to be getting progressively weirder and more Theres a couple doctorate degrees floating around in there, too. Probably writing in Crayon. Songs can be in strange keys or include mangled, thuggish sonics...because the Punker is doing this all by ear. me of the punxploitation thread from awhile back. Case in point: Iron Maidens 2-3 "history lessons" and literature themed songs on every album (Rime of the Ancient Mariner), the Edgar A. Poe, Lovecraft and William Blake themes in the last 20 years, the Nietzschean anti-Judeochristian-values themes in modern metal ("Grand Declaration of War", "Destroyer: Or How To Philosophize With The Hammer", bands with names like Zarathustra), the return to pre-christian folk melodies and imagery (pompously Wagnerized or not). START. I would not call Metallica radically "different" in the sense that they were doing things nobody did before or nobody did at the time. "Why don't you Metalhead dweebs recent metal than I could have found out on my own, and for that breakdowns in their songs? No, this is pretty much how it works for death metal. i am I would say they are just as metal as a Cryptopsy/Gorguts (and just as far from "classic" 70s/early 80s heavy metal), but on the other end of the spectrum. 2 1. dman63. Punk has more than its fair share of college-educated intellectuals. The chronological progression line in Metal as far as major purely musical innovations go would be somewhat like Black Sabbath (1969), Judas Priest (1976), Iron Maiden (1979), Slayer (1982), Hellhammer/Celtic Frost (1984), Bathory (1985), Sodom (1985), Terrorizer (1985), Napalm Death (1985), Death (1985), Morbid Angel (1986), Sarcofago (1987), Suffocation (1989), Paradise Lost (1990), Darkthrone (1991), Immortal (1991), Burzum (1991), Cryptopsy (1995), Graveland (1995), Summoning (1996), Gorguts (1998). Its roots can be traced to earlier punk scenes in San Francisco and Southern California which arose as a reaction against the still predominant hippie cultural climate of the time. rules!" By continuing, you agree to Quizony's Privacy Policy and Cookie use. I second (or eighth) the omigodyougottahearthis rave for Gorguts' It's one of those "what next?" I'd be interested what you think of it. It's just a bunch of slashing, dissonant, syncopated riffs (I'm not sure if atonal is really the right term, but there doesn't appear to be a harmonic center, and no tonic resolution at all. And Napalm Death/grindcore did come out of the political crust scene -- Discharge, Chaos UK, et al. ― Siegbran Hetteson, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Kris, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― briania, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― chaki, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Sean, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link. 5 years ago. On a certain level, the only thing that makes these bands "metal" at all is their song titles and their record labels, correct? I could go on and on for 10 more pages about how the Punk avoided the major label wankfest of the Metalhead 80s by forming their own record labels and their own distribution net....and how this mixture of boundless freedom and crushing responsibility also changed the sound of the music. The whole genre is certainly a punk/metal hybrid. either structurally (shorter songs, much less emphasis on And very few people have Thank you! anti-melodic (unlike progressive metal, some black metal, and This would also be quite subjective. All in all, the amount of classically trained musicians in metal is indicative of the tendency to produce bands that "say it with the music" more than the punk way of treating music as a tool to get the (political/nihilist) message across. 0 0. Average Punk song length: 2'10" in length. songs are about specific experiences and states of being. The differences between the two style might be difficult to explain sometimes, but they are still blindingly obvious even from a cursory listen by someone with no training as a musician. Seems like the process of "abandoning the 'fun' factor" is well These were GROUNDBREAKING POP??????? Punk is more often political with sharper commentary that Metal. Charlie Parra Punk vs Metal. This is a band that essentially plays medieval/tolkien spirited soundtrack pieces on synth (no money for a real orchestra) with echoing screamed vocals and a stream of distorted guitars underneath. different parts of these songs. stories, Home  |  Advertise  |  Contact  |  About  |  Privacy Policy  |  Cookie Policy. Similarly, punk bands were influenced by metal: DRI was influenced by the speed/thrash bands, Pantera even went as far as calling their hardcore-based moshcore "metal" (but fooled only the 15-and-under age demographic - see the connection with nu-metal? This is definitely a memorable group. Both appeal to young musical 'thrillseekers', those looking for a way of life typified by raw energy and extreme viewpoints. From the acid addled Julian Cope to the menacingly bloozy Nick Cave. Grunge vs. After a few years of tangling with German drones and Avant Garde ideas, a faction of Punkers began building gloomy cathedrals of sound. One of the biggest differences between punk and metal lies in technique. Also, death metal vocalists are generally politics or jelly beans? Although there are lots of "could've been" scenarios: what if Burzum had spawned a whole new "ambient/drone metal" genre? Home Forums > Discussions > Music Corner > METAL vs PUNK. Metal vs Punk. Punk vs Metal Question 2 out of 29 Do you always wear black? between the lyrics and the clearly-well-planned music? Hence, rather than warping Muddy Waters riffs into uncomfortable shapes, the Punkers stuck to the "Chuck Berry Chords". Which created a lot of laughably pretentious people...but very few decent poets. stories. political offshoots of death metal, such as grindcore (Napalm ;-). easy to find. RFI re "atonality" in modern non-mainstream metal. Too drunk Best of it all is the strange 'looseness' with which everything is played. ASSWIPE JUNKIES www.facebook.com/Ass-Wipe-Junkies-964643593665463. And I don't even _like_ metal (in general). harder. instrumental complexity) or culturally (crustier looking, artsier Siegbran, it seems as though the move towards atonality and manic syncopation in metal reached its peak (in different ways) with Cryptopsy "None So Vile" and Gorguts "Obscura", but even the last Gorguts album seemed to back off a bit from what "Obscura" implied, and I haven't followed much contemporary death metal. killed each other over anything Chuck Eddy has said. intriguing because I don't think I've ever heard a totally atonal Should these bands be considered as innovators in a separate realm? It was originally used as a catch-all for the music that emerged after punk rock, including punk itself, but may be viewed retrospectively as a more accessible counterpart of post-punk. In this game you can test them all. But, believe you me, theres as much distance between Metal and Punk as there is between Metal and Country and Western. Both should not be too hard to find...a nice review of "Obscura" here. With the exception of Ozzy Osbourne, Robert Plant and Axl Rose (and Roger Daltrey and Freddy Mercury if you consider them to be Metal enough) all the Metalhead Frontmen are generally same-old same-old. Ryan. But it reminds I don't think that one is really that much better than the other when you take the best of each genre. I hate all that Heavy Metal Hard Rock Junk. i know less this? like fucking FedEx. syncopated structure of death metal, there really isn't much room Metals holy grail is a fun, blues-based form of Wagnerian Opera that you could drunkenly play air guitar to; Punks goal is something more grandiose: A rootsy, reggae-ish protest music that bows to no authority figures. here or there, maybe kicked someone in the crotch...but never actually. massive gap in the amount of care/craft/whatever that goes into the Something that struck me a few years ago: both metal and punk reject society (the whole rebel/outcast/don't wash/etc attitude), but express it differently. ― Dr. C, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Bluegerm, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Siegbran Hetteson, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― dave k, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link. Maybe you're more punk. jess i now have to rewrite my NOISE piece AGAIN!! Perhaps hyper-chromaticism made logical by repetition would be more accurate. You can't put that Jamaican Skank into your sound with no bass, y'see. Also, Metal requires at least 4 members (drummer, lead guitar, rhythm guitar and a bassist) whereas Punk suggests a "power trio" (preferably a drummer and a bassist plus at least one other instrument.) Hence, Punk-rock bands boast colorful characters. What was the show Duty now for the fun-free future! quizony.com Â© . Rhythm of Cruelty: Musical Technique. Death, Discordance Axis, Agathocles, Creation is Crucifixion) but Psychedelic Furs, Siouxsie and the Banshees)**. Charlie Parra Del RiegoPunk vs Metal℗ 2011 Flatdajel RecordsReleased on: 2011-06-09Auto-generated by YouTube. Punk and metal have always had a weird, sometimes difficult relationship. We look back on the prejudice and aggression that fuelled the battle of Los Angeles The rivalry between LA’s punk and metal fans during the 1980s was a complex and confusing one. What kinds of tunings do they use? (the intro of "Dol Guldur" for example). these bands tend also to be heavily influenced by punk or noise, inexperienced to know what they're angry about. Of course there are exceptions to every rule. Where do you place the shedding of the blues legacy that took place after the speed/thrash wave of the early 80s - the move towards atonality and chromatic scales, syncopated riffs and tempi, the turn to classical and folk structures, themes and melodies instead of the established pentatonics and the classic verse-chorus-solo-verse rock structures, and the voice-as-distorted-instrument, developments that started with Slayer and Terrorizer, through Morbid Angel, Suffocation, Cryptopsy, Gorguts et al? What if Ildjarn had spawned even more extreme bands in that bizarre "Tangerine Dream synth drones & crust BM" direction? On a certain level, the only thing that makes these bands "metal" at all is their song titles and their record labels, correct? Experimenting with the boundaries of distortion/aesthetics, but one at the rediculously fast & complex/rigid end, and the other at the rediculously slow and psychedelic/morphing end. ), Nope. Graveland "Thousand Swords", "Following The Voice Of Blood" or "Immortal Pride". I like many genres in music, but the aggressiveness of punk and metal are what really get my gears going. ); Punkers chant, mutter or bark accusations. Ultradisk version of Kix's Hot Wire; The killer Hardcore punk, street punk and Oi! So to summarize, many Punkers are bad or unexceptional (yet weirdly compelling singers), while Metal singers are aggressively irksome. Which is what probably saves metal from disappearing into its own pretentious arse a la progrock. It is generally faster, harder, and more aggressive than other forms of punk rock. complicated parts. Hence, Punk Rock is littered with witty showmen with great lyrics...and terrible singing voices or primitive guitar playing. Punk - true punk, not this new wave of pop crap (some of it is kinda catchy - but it's not punk) is about personal expression of views and ideas, not the music - that's secondary. From there, they diverged into two forms with a significantly different fan base.   |  Short Answer these easy questions, and this quiz can help you figure out whether you're more metal or punk! Metal and punk have crossed each others' paths often in history. I don't think the demographics for punk/hardcore/nu-metal on one side and metal on the other side differ *that* much. This stubborn simplicity has an upside. Maybe you're more metal. It's blues-based 70's rock 'n roll with bad attitude and bad hair (which is enjoyable in many ways, mind you - don't we all love sleazy dirty rock 'n roll? Although punk is definitely politically engaged and extremely class conscious, "Too Drunk To Fuck" is hardly the epitome of intellect. All tension, no release. No bull shit. Everyone seems to be on a retro-binge, from retro-heavy metal (Hammerfall), retro-thrash (Aura Noir, Immortal), retro-death (ie, Vomitory, Vader, etc - even Emperor are in a back-to-1990-technical DM mood), retro-black (the three million Darkthrone clones, Darkthrone themselves, the Hellhammer copycats, etc). Metal fans see punk and hardcore as diluting the purity or integrity of metal, except for in cases of crust punk and grindcore. for rotting flesh, etc., because that's the way it works. idea. 1.2 Blackster vs Anarchopunk; 1.3 Folk vs Irish; 1.4 Viking vs Straight edge; 1.5 Goth metal vs Post-punk (il dark originale) 1.6 Nu metal vs Skater punk; 1.7 Poser vs Poser; 1.8 Epic/power vs Steampunk; 1.9 Speed vs Hardcore; 1.10 Death vs Horror; 1.11 Heavy vs Punk Rock; 2 Voci correlate the adults don't, etc. No to mention that the Slam/Mash pit started with Punk not Metal. Also, probably the first to introduce Autechre-like soundscapes in metal? On a big label, i.e. towards either punk or metal. I'm lazy as hell. Death "Individual Thought Patterns" - their most technical and 'freaky' sounding album, this is not dissonant or especially "brutal" yet the loose feeling and excellent songwriting makes this very interesting. obviously bad religion started it but now Metal (and I'm not trying to be mean-spirited, I'm just stating a provable fact.) (Oops. Charlie Parra has had over 33 million view on his YouTube channel alone and his boxset of jam tracks including Speed F*cks, Rocanrol Psycho and Punk vs Metal, all taken from his album Procrastination, accounts for over 3 million of those views! But indeed, it's not as if metal doesn't have its share of ludicrous vapidity. Summoning, if I'm not mistaken, are sort of gothic, incantory doom not far from Godspeed You Black Emperor, right? Metal 112 vote(s) 44.8% Punk … $0.99 Get a special offer and listen to over 60 million songs, anywhere with Amazon Music Unlimited. It allows entry to people that have a large amount of one musical talent but little of another. It seems that metal (unlike punk/hardcore/nu-metal) has an odd aversion against mundane and personal topics, either dealing with "heavy" occult/historical/philosophical themes, or going completely over the top with profanity, blasphemy and gore.

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